The Perfect Church – The Cult in Oregon, Illinois

The Perfect Church

the perfect church, the church of Jesus Christ forever, Kale Aluli, Rose, Aluli, cult of Oregon ILIs there a cult operating in Oregon, Illinois that is abusing children? Much controversy surrounds a sect known as The Church of Jesus Christ Forever which also calls itself The Perfect Church. It is led by a man by the name of Kale Aluli. There has been controversy over this group for years in Oregon, a small town in northern Illinois. According to members who have left the organization, severe abuse of members – especially children – has been perpetrated by church leaders, allegedly. 

What is this ministry? Is it a cult? What do they believe? Have the authorities been notified of the alleged abuse? Is the abuse alleged to be continuing? We will try to answer some of these questions in this article. Recent Facebook posts by ex-members have made serious allegations, for example:

“While in the church, I was subjected to many types and instances of abuse-both physically and psychologically. Without question, this activity was illegal and needed to be reported to the proper authorities.”

“I’ve lived in Oregon my whole life and this church has always been known as ‘the cult.’”

I am in contact with some of the ex-members. They have described to me some of the horrendous abuses they say they have endured as children. I have been granted permission to share some of their stories.  In the event of a criminal case, they have asked me not to share all of the horrors they say they went through, but here are just some of their allegations:

  1. While fasting could be voluntary, often times it was not. If on a fast, there were severe punishments for seeking any calories.  Children could be forced to go more than a week without food of any kind. Only water was allowed.
  2. Being beaten with a wooden board or paddle and removed from school until bruises faded.
  3. Being forced to eat cleansing agents like soaps and detergents.
  4. Acts of humiliation were a regular occurrence.  Mutilating haircuts and or being forced to wear the same clothes for weeks on end are just a few examples of what was done to embarrass the child in a public setting and also drive a wedge between them and any friend or relationship in the outside world. 
  5. Animal feces were smeared on children to demonstrate the filth of their sin
  6. There are severe instances of forced manual labor, even at extremely young ages.  
  7. Tithe was not an option or a choice for children.  Ten percent of all gross earnings were to be given to the church.  This, along with an “Offering” (donations above Tithe), is what the pastor lives on.
  8. Children were forbidden from communicating with family members that had left the church, or from having relationships with relatives that were deemed to have come against the Church, Rose, or Kale.
  9. Pastor Kale Aluli would often use an open flame to scare the children.  He would put the child’s hand (or some other bodily extremity) near (or sometimes on) the heat sources to simulate what hell was like.

All of these alleged tortures, and some much worse that I have not been given permission to share, were ostensibly administered with the intention of helping the child attain salvation and sinless perfection. The necessity of reaching sinless perfection to obtain salvation is, according to the church website, a  theological construct that this sect teaches. If these events happened, as many say they did, it begs the question: How could any church, that claims to follow the teachings of Jesus, do such unspeakably horrible and illegal acts of barbarism to children?  

 

What is a Cult?

We will now examine the history and doctrine of this church to try ascertain what they believe. But first a few words about cults. A group can be classed as a cult based upon their behavior.  What is their behavior towards outsiders? Are they secretive and fearful of others knowing what they do or believe? The sect’s behavior toward its own members is another factor. Are the leaders controlling or domineering? Do they try to isolate their members from their own relatives or family members who are not part of the church? Does the church insert itself into the private lives of its members and attempt to exert personal control?

Whether or not a sect can be classed as a non-Christian cult depends primarily upon their doctrine, whether or not they adhere to orthodoxy and uphold the cardinal doctrines of Christianity which all Christian churches of every denomination agree upon. If a church has faulty doctrine, this can result in aberrant behavior by its leaders and members.

To summarize, essentially there are two types of cults:

Sociological cult: A group whose members show unusual or excessive devotion to a cult leader who uses unethical and manipulative methods of persuasion and control over the private lives of the individuals in the group, and/or who attempts so separate them from family, friends, and society in general. Cult leaders often give themselves grandiose titles such as prophet or apostle. In many cases the words or teachings of the leader may be claimed to be direct from God.

Theological cult: A group that maintains doctrines considered strange or unorthodox. From a Christian perspective, a cult in the theological sense is a sect that departs from the cardinal doctrines of Christianity, such as The Deity of Christ, The Trinity, Salvation by Grace through Faith, etc. In the case of The Church of Jesus Christ Forever, it appears that they are both a sociological cult and a theological cult.

Exposing false teachers is not a task that always meets with approval. It frequently stirs up a hornet’s nest of people proclaiming, “Do not judge!” or “Touch not God’s anointed!” This is a common deflection from those who don’t want to hear the truth.  D.M Canright was a minister who escaped the delusion of a cult and then spent his life exposing their false teachings. In his excellent book, Seventh Day Adventism Renounced, he made a statement that explains the necessity of this sort of work.  His words are apropos. He wrote, “To criticize, expose and condemn others is not a pleasant task; but when religious teachers enthrone error, and mislead honest people, silence would be unkind and censurable.

We shall examine these issues in this article, using the information on the church’s website as our source. Before we begin, I want to emphasize that even if the conclusion is that this sect is a cult, we must remember that it is populated with people who are trapped by lies and deception. They need rescue, not rejection. Even if some of the people in the cult are evil, there are likely some decent people there as well. People whom God loves. If they have been captured by error, they need our love and understanding, not our animosity. The purpose of this website is to help free people from the brainwashing of cults, not to offend them. With that spirit, let us begin.

History of The Perfect Church

the perfect church, the church of Jesus Christ forever, Kale Aluli, Rose, Aluli, cult of Oregon ILAccording to information on the church’s website, (PerfectChurch.com) a lady by the name of Rose was the founder of the sect. Born Rosella Mabel Miller, she became Rose Jones by marriage, and later Rose Aluli by another marriage. According to what Rose told a reporter of the Rockford Register Star in 1987, she and her husband, Al Jones, used to run a bar in Oregon. While off work from her duties at the bar, Rose would use her spare time to preach wherever should could. Eventually Rose and Al divorced.  The church website refers to Rose as “Reverend Rose,” but there seems to be no record of Rose ever attending a seminary or Bible college. Rose who called herself an apostle and a prophetess, began her ministry by attending a small Bible study in Rockford, Illinois in 1976

Within two years Rose managed to seize control of the Bible study group, telling the pastor who ran the study that God called her to be the leader, but that he could remain on as her assistant. The website claims that the minister “rejected the word of the Lord and left.” In 1979 The Bible study relocated to Oregon, Illinois, where in 1980 they formed themselves as The Church of Jesus Christ Forever.

The church website claims that Kale Aluli was ordained as associate minister in 1981. Since the website does not mention any seminary training for Rose or Kale, we can  presume then that Kale Aluli was simply “ordained” by Rose saying so, and not by any recognized organization. Rose pastored the church with Kale as her assistant for nine years.

During the time that Kale was assistant to Rose, he was married to someone else. Kale had married Candice (Candy) Marinelli in April of 1973. Apparently Kale had left his Catholic roots behind, for he and Candy had their first child baptized at Saint Paul Lutheran Church in Rockford, Illinois on Sun, Feb 10th 1974. Unfortunately their marriage was headed for disaster.

One of the ex-members has this to say: “I’ve heard that Kale was so obsessed with Reverend Rose during his marriage with Candy that he neglected her, which led her to cheat on him. This is just speculation, details that aren’t confirmed.” Other ex-members have alleged that Kale was so enamored with Rose that he would sleep on the floor outside her door. These are all unsubstantiated rumors, but what we do know is this: After some time, Kale and Candy divorced. In 1984 Candy married Donald Morris, one of the founding members of The Church of Jesus Christ Forever In 1990 Rose, at age 80, took Kale, age 44, as her third husband. Two years later, in 1992, Rose died. The church and its considerable assets then came under the control of Kale Aluli. 

A History of Bad Reputation

The Scripture lays down some strict rules for those who are active in ministry: “An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife…and he must have a good reputation with those outside the church…” (1 Timothy 3:2-7). The Church of Jesus Christ Forever and its leaders have a long history of alleged irreputable conduct, both with those outside the church and with those who have left the church. A good reputation with those outside the church is mandated by Scripture for ministers. That seems to be lacking, not just with people today but such community concern began decades ago. 

Thirty-five  years ago the residents of Oregon, Illinois, along with people from surrounding towns as far away as Rockford were agitated about the cult that had sprung up in this small farming community. This Rockford newspaper article from the Sunday April 26th, 1987 edition of the Sunday Register Star (Image courtesy of Gary, Sarah and other moderators of the Facebook group What’s Up Ogle County ) delineates the concerns. Keep in mind these allegations are from 35 years ago. The article says,  and I quote:

  • Former church members and parents of current members have formed a support group to deal with the effects on their lives of Jones’ church.
  • They say Jones arranges all of the marriages among members of her flock, even if the participants have only known each other a few days.
  • Parents say unless they agree to join the church, they are not allowed to see their children, or grandchildren who are members.
  • Former members have asked law enforcement officials to investigate reports that members who fall out of step are beaten and publicly humiliated.
  • Members of the support group say that several Jones followers required psychiatric treatment when they left the church.
  • It’s a cult,” former member Teddi Marinell, 27, of Loves Park, said. “Anything we did that didn’t conform with everybody else, we’d pay for it.”

Those are the allegations, verbatim, from a newspaper of nearly four decades ago. The reporter who wrote the article above reports concerning Rose: “Her hands are adorned with clusters of tiny diamonds…her critics say she profits handsomely from the tithes of her followers, yet, out of vanity…she wears the diamonds, along with a diamond encrusted watch and a fur-collared jacket to an interview with the Register Star.”  The article continues:

“It’s a hard situation to get a handle on,” said the Rev. John Patterson, head of the Oregon Ministerial Association. He met with Jones (Rose) last month to discuss the association’s concerns about her church. “I think there is a lot of suspicion about the group, which is a concern to many of us,” he said. “So many rumors have surfaced about the group – which has aroused the passions of the families involved.” Mayor James Barnes is more succinct. “Anybody in town who tells you they haven’t heard it’s a cult is lying,” he said.

What most townspeople and parents of young church members have heard, is that members worship Jones. Former church member Marinelli said members believe Jones is God’s wife, the mother of all living. She’s Eve. God is not worthy to unbuckle her shoes. That’s what’s happening now. Marinelli recalls an incident in which members shrouded Jones in a purple robe, put a crown on her head and worshipped at her feet.

Marinelli says that church members decided how other members should serve God. If they failed in the eyes of their fellow members, they were chastised, often viciously, during worship services. “Everybody walked into those meetings terrified wondering, “Who’s going to get it tonight?” She said.

Improper Understanding of Personal Prophecy

Rose Jones Aluli spoke “prophesy” in a manner inconsistent with New Testament teaching. She believed it was equivalent to Scripture and that whatever she “prophesied” was the word of God that must be believed and obeyed, or so she told the reporter of the Rockford paper. Followers who think that your words are direct from God, are easy to control. But according to the Apostle Paul, all prophesy is to be judged by the hearers:

“Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.” (1 Corinthians 14:29)

The account of the Apostle Paul going to Jerusalem – where he was arrested and eventually taken to Rome and executed – is a prime example that illustrates that personal prophecy should never rule a person’s life. Paul had said, “compelled by the Spirit, I am going to Jerusalem.” (Acts20). So The Spirit of God was telling Paul to go to Jerusalem. But on his way, prophets in Tyre disagreed with what God told Paul, for the Scripture says, “through the Spirit they told Paul not to go on to Jerusalem.” (Acts 21)

When Paul got to Caesarea a prophet named Agabus began saying to Paul, “Thus says the Holy Spirit…” and went on to tell him that he would be arrested and bound if he continues. The people there begged him not to go up to Jerusalem. Then Paul answered, “What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be imprisoned but even to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased and said, “The will of the Lord be done.” (Acts 21). In this case the prophets finally realized that it was God’s will that Paul proceed to Jerusalem. God simply wanted Paul to know what was ahead.

We can take a lesson from this: God was telling Paul to go to Jerusalem, but New Testament prophets were telling Paul not to go. This is proof positive that no Christian should let a personal prophecy spoken over them overrule their thoughts when they already know what God’s will is. Personal prophecy can be wrong. It is not infallible. We see in a glass darkly. We prophesy in part, we know in part (1 Corinthians 13:12). Personal prophecy is to be judged by Scripture and by other believers, and especially it should be judged by the one receiving the prophecy.

Rose Jones Aluli did not follow this scriptural principal. She believed and taught that personal prophecies given by prophets today are equal to Scripture and must be obeyed. In the newspaper article it is reported, “Jones acknowledges that all prophecies are acted upon because, she says, they are the word of God, which should not be questioned.” This is absolutely wrong and dangerous. Personal prophecies are not the word of God and they must be questioned, for 1 Corinthians 14:29 says they should be: “…prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.” In such cases 1 John 2:27 applies: “But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true.

Rev. Kale Aluli

the perfect church, the church of Jesus Christ forever, Kale Aluli, Rose, Aluli, cult of Oregon IL

Kale Aluli, who took over as pastor after Rose’s death,  had previously attended a Catholic college, Chaminade University in Hawaii (class of ’68). Chaminade is a Marianist institution. Marianists are followers of Mary. Their focus is consecration and entrustment to the Virgin Mary. They look to her as a model of faith and spirituality. Being trained in the veneration of a Catholic female goddess may have laid the groundwork for his later adoration and glorification of Rose. While living in Hawaii, Kale Aluli was admitted to a psychiatric hospital. This information we have by Kale’s own admission to his church members.

The church currently has approximately fifty members and is located at 603 Webster Street, Oregon, Illinois. One cannot simply walk into a service. There are no set service times posted. Services are private, member only affairs. You have to be “allowed” to come, and only then if they think you are someone genuinely interested in joining. It is said by ex-members that a new visitor doesn’t see a real service. Instead, a mock service is prepared for them.

The rumors and allegations that were made by people four decades ago are very similar to what people are saying today.  People familiar with the cult are talking about excessive control, beatings, isolation from family, coercion and torture. The fact that people today are making the same allegations as people of former generations is compelling. There is an old saying: Where there is smoke there is fire. 

 

The One True Church

Numerous heterodox churches and cults make the claim that they are the one true church. Mormons, Church of Christ, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are all non-Christian cults that lay claim to being the one and only true church. Indeed, claiming to be the one true church is in itself a heretical statement that self-brands a sect as a cult. I shall now demonstrate that The Church of Jesus Christ Forever has labelled itself a cult by claiming to be the one true church on earth. Throughout this article, any statements in blue are exact quotes, copied and pasted from perfectchurch.com which is the church’s website.

Here are the statements made on the their website:

“In Oregon, Illinois, Rose received a prophecy that said ‘You shall be the Pastor of the Church here in Oregon.’ Rose’s handwritten note, dating back to August 25, 1960, states: ‘Jesus said, I will establish my true Church in this town.’”

“Are there other churches like The Church of Jesus Christ Forever? Not yet.”

“The Church of Jesus Christ Forever is that Church spoken of in Daniel and Ezekiel. It is the rock cut out of the mountain and the third temple. It is the promised people of the Father. It is the Perfect Church. It is the man child born of the woman of Revelation.”

“Rose made herself ready, thus laying down the foundation of this perfect Church…Whereas Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my Church…She is called to the Melchezedek priesthood without beginning or ending…a perfect Church, born of the New Jerusalem Mother, without spot or wrinkle: a Virgin church…”

“We, The Church of Jesus Christ Forever, so spoken of by the holy Apostles and Prophets; and so shepherded by her hand…”

“We, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST FOREVER have set our lives apart from all doctrines, religions, customs, fables, and ordinances of man to follow that which is holy and pure…”

“The Church presents Perfection: to be in the exact image and likeness of Jesus, without sin and conquerors over death…”

“As Jesus said, ‘My true Church.’ Sinless and perfect. Amen.”

“We exhort All who hear…beware…they without Us can never enter into the promises of God.”

The evidence here is incontrovertible. They claim that their sect is the only true church upon the earth and that they reject all other denominations. This is a mark of a cult. A real Christian church recognizes all other denominations as Christian if they adhere to the generally accepted cardinal doctrines of Christianity. Any sect that separates themselves from the fellowship of the body of Christ and claims to be the one and only true church has painted their own sign, which proclaims, “We Are a Cult.”

 

Salvation by Works

The Bible makes it clear that attempting to obtain salvation by your own works or suffering,  instead of trusting in Christ, is counterproductive. The Bible clearly states that trusting in yourself means that Christ’s sacrifice for sins on the cross will not apply to you. The Apostle Paul dealt with this error with the Christians in Galatia who had been deceived by false teachers who told them they needed to obey the law of Moses and be circumcised to be saved.

“O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?…all who rely on works of the law are under a curse…Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for ‘The righteous shall live by faith…'” (Galatians 1:1-3,11)

“Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.” (Galatians 5:2-6)

The same principle applies to any law in the entire Bible, or any rule stipulated by a cult leader. If someone says, you must do this-such-and-so, to be saved  – other than repentance and faith in Jesus Christ – then that person is teaching another gospel. Hear the words of Paul to the Galatians:

“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)

Whenever someone says, “We are the one true church – you must be with us or you are lost,” they are adding works to the Gospel and those who trust in that are – to use the words of the Apostle Paul: “severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.”  This is exactly what this church does. They claim you must join them to be saved: They without Us can never enter into the promises of God.”

Salvation is a free gift. You can’t earn it. It is given freely by God to those who trust in Christ to save them. Jesus’ shed blood on the cross washes away our sins. Trusting in that is beautiful and holy and results in walking with Jesus in new life without fear. Trusting in your own righteousness is a futile, painful, pointless, tiring effort that leads only to fear, darkness, and bondage. That path is what the Apostle Paul called “another gospel.” This is why the claim to be “the one true church” is a cultic statement. The entire concept adds conditions – or works – to salvation, which is a denial of one of the cardinal doctrines of Christianity: Salvation by grace through faith in Christ. 

 

Exalted Leaders of the Perfect Church

Another mark of a cult is that they typically have an exalted leader who is considered to be some sort of pope, prophet, apostle, or even a deity. This person is often considered to be the mouthpiece of God. Unquestioned obedience to his or her words is demanded.  It is clear from this church’s website that this position was given to Rose, the founder and self-proclaimed prophetess and apostle. Since Rose’s death, Kale Aluli holds this exalted position as well.

They make this statement about Rose: “We, The Church of Jesus Christ Forever, formed by the life and principles of our Founder, born in the true righteousness of Christ our Lord: the Honorable Reverend Rose M. Aluli…” Note the claim that Rose was “born in the true righteousness of Christ.” Such a claim is counter to Scripture.

The Bible teaches that only Jesus was born sinless and lived sinless. Yet their website makes the claim that Rose Aluli was born sinless. There is far more written on the church website about Rose than about the Lord Jesus Christ. Note in the following statements how they elevate her, reverence her, and ascribe to her attributes that only belong to Christ:

“Rose received by the Holy Ghost the same Anointing as Christ…”

“Whereas Rose made herself ready, thus laying down the foundation of this perfect Church…Whereas Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom.”

Jesus did not claim to build His Church upon Rose, as they claim, or upon any other human. He built His Church upon the confession of faith in Jesus as the Son of God. Yet, they claim that Rose alone has been given the keys of the kingdom. The idea of Christ’s church being built upon a person is a bit of false doctrine borrowed from Kale Aluli’s Catholic background.

“It is given unto Rose M. Aluli to be the Chosen of the Father, that she would usher in the New Order, the New Creation State born of the Woman…”

One wonders, what is the “New Order?” What is “the New Creation State born of the Woman?” These are not biblical terms. This is nothing but crazed religious gobbledygook without meaning.

“God revealed himself to her by visibly appearing to her and letting her touch his resurrected hand and letting her lay her head on his breast; by transporting her from the back of a church to the sanctuary (witnesses in attendance); and by other supernatural manifestations, including her seeing herself out of her body, and a light coming out of her face to raise a dead baby to life.”

Outlandish unsubstantiated claims and occult manifestations, such as those made above, are a mark of a cult.

“Rose Is Perfected…Thus, she had to overcome death and the effects of death. This she did, and thus became the First Manifested Son…A manifested son is one who is sinless and perfect before God and man. Rose M. Aluli is the first manifested son of God…a perfect person in whom Jesus Christ is revealed, or manifested, in a pure and complete way… Rose overcame all sin; she, therefore, received total life.”

What is a “First Manifest Son?”  The Bible uses no such term. They simply made this up out of whole cloth. And how can Rose, a female, be a son?  She lays claim to being sinless and perfect, yet circumstances do not reflect perfection.

“Rose writes, God said I have the eighth promise…’To Become as Jesus Christ’”

Jesus Christ is God, according to Scripture, yet Rose claims to be Jesus Christ, or equal to Jesus Christ. God says in His word, “I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other…” (Isaiah 42:8) There you have it: Jesus will not give his glory to another. According to the Bible, it is impossible that Rose became as Jesus Christ. To claim such is blasphemy.

Hear the words of Jesus: “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Mark 13:6) According to the words of Jesus, Rose is a deceiver. Jesus does not, and will not, ever return in the form of another person. He returns himself. After Jesus ascended into the sky, two angels appeared and told the disciples, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:11)

Did you catch that? “This same Jesus…will so come in like manner…” It will not be a different Jesus who comes, not someone by the name of Rose. Jesus warned us: “If anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christ’s and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” (Matthew 24:23-27)

“She had to overcome death and the effects of death. This she did…”

“She could not die…she is the revealing of Christ in a perfect vessel…”

They claim that Rose somehow overcame death as Jesus did, even that she would never die. She died in 1992. Case closed – Rose was self-deceived.

“We Believe that Rose was born to bring the message of light and life into a dead earth, such an earth that has become dark to the true light.”

So, without Rose, there was no light in the world? The world was dead without her? What happened to the light that Jesus brought into the world? Where did that go? Jesus said, “I will build my church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18) If the world was dark and dead until Rose brought light and life, then apparently the gates of Hell prevailed in spite of what Jesus said. So, Jesus failed, and Rose succeeded. Does that sound biblical?

“We further believe that Kale, also chosen of God, came out of Rose, and that he stands in her stead to lead this people.”

How did Kale “come out of Rose?” That makes no sense. Kale is not her son. He was her husband. And what does it mean, “he stands in her stead?” Does that mean he is sinless too? Is he equal to Jesus Christ, equal to God, as is claimed of Rose?

“We Believe that Rose and Kale are the two witnesses who have been prepared for this hour.”

Apparently, they are both considered to be gods. The only “two witnesses” spoken of in Scripture are the two men who appear during the latter half of the seven-year Tribulation and preach the Gospel, and have power to breath fire out of their mouths to kill Antichrist’s people. They have power to stop the rain and turn the sea to blood. So, Rose and Kale are these two witnesses?

Have Rose or Kale ever done these things? Have they turned the sea to blood? The return of Christ happens three and one-half years after the two witnesses appear. If this claim was made over three and one-half years ago, then where is Jesus? The Second Coming should have already happened. Such claims as these are utterly preposterous and don’t hold up under examination.   

“We Believe that we are part of the man-child, birthed for this hour, to be the living testimony of Jesus Christ and to rule and reign with a rod of iron even as declared in the holy Word of God.”

The man child of Revelation 12:5 is Jesus, as every Bible scholar knows. It is Jesus who will one day rule with a rod of iron, not Rose and Kale. Kale Aluli, now that Rose is dead, has assumed the nature of godhead that was ascribed to Rose. From the church website we read this alleged prophecy from God about Kale:

REV. KALE F. ALULI, REVEREND GENERAL – THE HOLY GHOST SPOKE OF HIM: Thou shalt be the prophet in the land. You are called as Elijah. I look on thee as a newborn babe, free of sin, yea, and pure. You will be given much authority. All things that I have given unto thy wife, I give unto thee. I bless you, O man of God. I bless you, I bless you, and I bless you in the name of the Lord. I honor you and I bow before thee, for thy walk, for the truth, for what you have been willing to lay down in order to achieve holiness and perfection. We honor you, Kale. We honor you, Rose. We honor you, Christ…Thou art established forever as the true light in this earth and thou shalt dispense the darkness and dispel it. Kale, my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased…Therefore doth the Father love you, Kale, because you lay down your life for the sheep.”

God will bow down before Kale? The blasphemy of this entire paragraph is so evident that it needs no further elucidation.

 

The Deification of Rose

Nearly all cults attempt to demote Jesus and claim he is not God, or they attempt to elevate people to the same level as Jesus or God the Father. Mormonism is an example of a cult that does the latter. If you ask a Mormon if they believe in the deity of Christ, they will not deny that Jesus is God. Yet what they really believe is that Jesus was a mere man who became a god, and that good Mormons get to be a god someday also, and when they become a god, they can receive praise and prayers from the population of their own planet. Mormons elevate themselves to godhood.

The Church of Jesus Christ Forever does the same thing as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They claim that Rose obtained godhood by becoming equal to Jesus.

“Rose is the First Manifested Son of God, who overcame all things, thus attaining to the perfection written of in the Holy Scriptures; and is granted to sit with Jesus in his throne, in the Father.”

“Whereas Rose taught that through the Holy Spirit and Scriptures, we could overcome and obtain perfection and become Manifested Sons of God, heirs and joint heirs with Jesus Christ and have the right to everlasting life.”

“I should, I can and must be as my Lord and Savior.”

“I am just getting an understanding of why I disappeared and became just a light instead of a flesh person.”

“Before Rose passed on to God in 1992, laying down her life as Jesus did…”

See how they venerate Rose and make her equal to Jesus? She laid down her life as Jesus did. Really? Was Rose nailed to a cross? Exactly how did Rose disappear and become a light instead of a flesh person?  This is nonsense.

 

Another Jesus in The Perfect Church

The Bible warns about false prophets who preach another Jesus:

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.” (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)

The Church of Jesus Christ Forever preaches another Jesus. They state on their website:

“Jesus…He overcame all sin and became perfect.”

The Christology of “The Perfect Church” is far from perfect. To say that Jesus “became perfect” is false doctrine.  Jesus did not become perfect. He was perfect from the beginning. The Bible is clear: Jesus was God. He is our Creator. Speaking of Jesus, the Bible says:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…All things were made by him…And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” (John 1:1,14)

The angel told the Virgin Mary:

“The Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of God shall overshadow you; so the baby born to you will be utterly holy—the Son of God. (Luke 1:35)

So Jesus was utterly holy from birth. He was always perfect and sinless. Jesus asked the Jews: “Which one of you convicts me of sin?” Jesus could confidently challenge them with this statement for He knew that He had never sinned. The Perfect Church takes the error even further by saying this:

“We are sons as much as Jesus was his son.”

Just as much as Jesus? That is not biblical theology. Let us examine John 3:16:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son…” (KJV)
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son…” (NIV)
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his unique Son…” (ISV)

The Greek word translated as “only begotten Son” is “monogenē , which carries the meaning of “unique, a thing without a like; something unequaled or  unparalleled.” Although Christians are called to try to be like Jesus in character, we are never going to be like him in deity. We are adopted sons of God, but we are not sons “as much as Jesus,” as is erroneously claimed. Jesus was the unique Son of God.  The Church of Jesus Christ Forever is displaying another Jesus than the one the Bible speaks of. Their Jesus was born imperfect and is no different than anyone else. The Jesus of the Bible is God and has always been holy and perfect. He is like no other. He is Immanuel, God with us. 

 

Discrepancies

Most cults have irreconcilable discrepancies in their teachings and the teaching of this church has a plethora of them.

  1. The website claims that the minister that Rose took the Bible study away from was “unscrupulous” and that he was removed by God. Yet, it also claims that Rose offered him the position of assistant pastor, which he rejected and therefore left. So which is it? Was he removed by God or did he leave of his own volition? Both cannot be true. All this begs the question: If he was truly unscrupulous, as they claim, why then was he offered the position of assistant? Something doesn’t add up.
  2. In 1987 Rose told the reporter of the Rockford Register Star that she started attending sessions led by a pastor, who she says  “was a good man, but a weak leader.” According to Rose, “one day he forgot to show up, so she began leading the group. He never came back.” That is not the same story that is recorded on the church website. There, not only is it said that this pastor was “unscrupulous,” but also that he left because he did not want to be Rose’s assistant. So, which is it: Did he just disappear one day and never come back? Or was he “removed by God because he was unscrupulous?”  Or did he leave because Rose took the group away from him and told him he could only be her assistant? They tell three different stories on their website.
  3. Rose claimed that she would not die. She could not die,” says the website. Yet she died in 1992.
  4. According to the website, “After twenty years of marriage, her husband left her for another woman…Her second husband became an alcoholic and a womanizer.”  Yet, it is claimed that Rose was born into sinless perfection and is a prophetess. But why would two husbands leave a perfect woman?
  5. How is it that a perfect woman who can see the future twice marries men of such low character?
  6. The website mentions that Rose was “volatile,” “aggressively determined,” and suffered from “mental anguish.” Does that sound like a perfect woman? These descriptions lead one to ponder: Did her first two husbands abandon her, or were they actually driven away and driven to drink? We shall probably never know. We are expected to believe that she was an innocent dove. Again, things don’t add up. How can you be born with sinless perfection and be volatile?

Denigration of the Real Apostles

I have seen a pattern in some cults, especially ones that have leaders who claim to be apostles; they will denigrate the real apostles of the New Testament, particularly Paul. This church is no exception. Rose writes,

“I do not know what happened to Paul to make him fall.  I do not know why he decided that he was a big shot, and that he could disobey the Spirit…”

This is contrary to what the New Testament says, where the Apostle Paul writes, “I am conscious of nothing against myself,” and “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day…” (2 Timothy 4:7-8) Apparently, since Rose and Kale claim to be apostles, they feel they must put the Apostle Paul down in order to lift themselves up.

 

Claims of Apostleship in the Perfect Church

The claim of Rose and Kale that they are apostles is not biblical. In Revelation 2:20 the Lord Jesus says, “I know…how you…have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.”  Speaking of their church as “she,” the church website states:

“She must believe and uphold the five-fold ministry: some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers…” 

Churches that claim to have apostles usually claim to be five-fold ministry churches. There are no living apostles today. An apostle is someone who can give eye-witness testimony to the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They have incredible power to work miracles and were commissioned to write Scripture. Our New Testament is written exclusively by apostles, or the close associate of an apostle. According to 1 Corinthians 9:1 an apostle must have seen the Lord Jesus Christ and been called by him. Since one must have lived in the 1st century to be able to be a witness to Christ’s death on the cross, and subsequent resurrection, there can be no apostles today.

God gave apostles (past tense) when he founded the church. We still have them only in the sense that their writings are Holy Scripture which still guide us. Jude 1:7 says, “Remember the words having been spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ…”  Scripture never tells the Church to look for new apostles, but to rely on what was “spoken beforehand.” Jude 1:3 says, “contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.”  Our faith was laid down once by the original apostles. It was “once for all delivered.” It was not to be given again and again by new apostles. 

While the Bible gives details of the qualifications for selecting deacons and elders, no such information is given for apostles. That is because they were not intended for today. As the years went by and some apostles were martyred, there were no accounts of replacement apostles being chosen. If there were such a thing as apostolic succession, there would be a record of this.

Ephesians 2:20 says that the Church is “built upon the foundation of the apostles…” The foundation is the first thing laid down. You don’t build a first and second floor and then put another foundation on top of that. There are no apostles today, yet cult leaders use this unbiblical façade to erect for themselves an apostolic platform so that they can create their own doctrines, write their own scripture, and lord it over people with false authority.

 

Sinless Perfection & Salvation by Works

The true gospel of Jesus Christ is centered around Jesus. Salvation comes, not by works, but by faith in His name. The Bible says:

“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

“If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” (Romans 10:9-11)

The real Gospel teaches people to believe in the Lord Jesus and put their faith in Him. By doing so they are born again. They become a new person inside, they have a relationship with God and throughout their life they mature in Christ and learn to walk in righteousness. But it is a process that goes on for a person’s whole life. They never reach sinless perfection in this world, but they learn and grow as they walk with the Lord. For those interested in reading more about salvation, as the Bible and all Christian churches teach it, I recommend my book: Heavenly Miracles: True Stories of Supernatural Intervention. Click the image to the left for more information.

The biblical doctrine of salvation by faith is entirely different from what Rose and Kale teach:

“Rose Is Perfected…Thus, she had to overcome death and the effects of death. This she did, and thus became the First Manifested Son…A manifested son is one who is sinless and perfect before God and man. Rose M. Aluli is the first manifested son of God…a perfect person in whom Jesus Christ is revealed, or manifested, in a pure and complete way… Rose overcame all sin; she, therefore, received total life.

They teach that Rose reached perfection, while at the same time saying she was born perfect. She overcame death, and the effects of death, they say. Yet, she died. Go figure. They teach that everyone in their church can reach this perfection. How? By pain. By fasting. By prayer. By doing, doing, and more doing. As one ex-member told me, “Prayer, fasting, hard work, reading the Bible – all these were actions that could help obtain salvation and perfection.” This is a doctrine of salvation by works, which is a denial of the true Gospel of the Bible which says that we are saved by grace through faith. Salvation is not something that is obtained by works. It is a free gift.

This church’s adherence to the false doctrine that one can reach sinless perfection in this life is not a scriptural concept. Jesus said, “No one is good except God alone.” (Mark 10:18) and “All…come short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) Even the Apostle Paul said, “I don’t mean to say that I have already achieved these things or that I have already reached perfection.” (Philippians 3:12) The Apostle John wrote to Christians and said, “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8) Rose claimed to have no sin. Therefore, according to the Bible, she deceived herself and the truth was not in her. All who make that claim have deceived themselves. That is what God’s word says.

Note the following excerpts from their website wherein they teach salvation comes through working and achieving sinless perfection.

“Without being in his perfect will, no man shall see God. We must be perfect in our service to the Lord: we have to be!”

“That there must be complete dedication to attending the Assembly, that She shall lack in nothing and grow in the Spirit…”

“That She shall assemble and encourage the assembling as often as possible…”

“That social events may not take the place of assembling (exceptions must be exceptional).”

“We have the indwelling power…that we might walk sinless…to be perfect.”

That is not the Gospel that the Bible teaches. Scripture says we are saved by faith in Christ, not by our own efforts. John 3:16-17 says:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned…”

You do not need to be perfect to go to heaven. Just forgiven, and all Christians who put their faith in Jesus have forgiveness and eternal life. In John 6:47 Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment.”

 

King James Onlyism

They are King James Onlyists, adhering to the false teaching that only the KJV is the true word of God. Modern versions are not allowed. Much of the church’s website is written in Elizabethan English in order to make it sound like the King James Version. Their website is filled with paragraph long, run-on sentences of poor grammatical construction, written in King James vernacular, ostensibly to give the impression that the website is inspired and equal to Scripture. The website states as follows (Note: “She” is how they refer to their church on their website.)

“She shall use and refer to and go no further forward than the Authorized King James Version (1611) of the Holy Bible for it is the pure word of God…”

To read more about King James Onlyism, I recommend my book King James Onlyism. Click the image for more information and  to order from Amazon. Available in both Kindle and paperback. This book covers the importance of adherence to the original autographs of Scripture, the history of Bible translations, the manuscript evidence discovered after 1611, and the advances made in linguistic understanding and the differences between literal versus dynamic translations. This book is a scholarly refutation of King James Onlyism in an easy-to-read format.

 

Cultic Exclusionism

The church website says:

“We stand…against all reason, against all logic, against all common sense, against all tradition of the modern church, against all denominational tradition and religion of man, against all counter influence of family, friends, or any other flesh that would attempt to direct, coerce, or suggest in any manner contrary to the Spirit of God…”

Note what this church is against: Reason, logic, common sense, other denominations, family influence, friends, or anyone who disagrees with their prophet. This is the most cultic statement on their website. This is what cults do – they attempt to separate you from any friends or family that would interfere with the brainwashing they engage in. Cult leaders try to short-circuit logical reasoning and common sense in their followers in order to manipulate and control them.  The fact that they come right out and say this paints themselves as a cult. This statement on their website gives credence to the allegations of ex-members of coercion and forced separation from family members. They come right out and say they are against reason, logic and the influence of families and friends. 

 

Conclusion on The Perfect Church

Strange doctrines are one thing; people are free to believe whatever they want. But child abuse, if it happened, is another matter.  That is illegal. No one has the right to abuse children, even if they imagine they are gods. People that abuse children need to be investigated, and if found guilty, punished by the law. Unfortunately, it is not a simple matter. Many of these events are alleged to have happened decades ago. The children who say they were abused are now adults who are married and have families. They have to consider their spouses and children. And neither do they wish see their parents incarcerated. They have escaped the cult long ago and want to put it behind them and get on with their lives. This is understandable. If the allegations are true, it is the cult leader himself who would be the most culpable. 

Certainly, a number of events cannot be proven, there being no witnesses other than the victim’s word against the perpetrator. Do the ex-members believe the abuse is ongoing in the church now? I asked this question. Ex-members say they do not know. A heads-up to a state child protective services agency might help, or it might not. There are no easy answers. Nevertheless, it would be good for the authorities to take a close look at this sect, particularly the current leader, Kale Aluli. One ex-member has stated, “Kale Aluli was aware of, condoned, and encouraged every abuse that happened.”  It is up to any who experienced abuse to step forward. Not much can happen unless enough people tell what happened. Even if charges cannot be brought, the scrutiny brought by inquiry might have an effect of inhibiting abuse, if there is any potential for such.

Concerning the allegations of abuse, one is innocent until proven guilty. No one should be convicted on hearsay. Unless people come forward and make official complaint to the authorities and an investigation is done and a judge makes a ruling, then anonymous allegations of abuse is all there is. But as far as the doctrine of this sect is concerned, the following conclusion can be made unequivocally: The Church of Jesus Christ Forever is a cult in the theological sense of the word. Based upon the statements on their website, they are not a Christian church. They have departed from the cardinal doctrines of of historic Christianity. They are preaching another Gospel besides the one taught in the Bible. Some cults that are controlling and secretive can be dangerous. The one in Oregon, Illinois is led by a man who – if the ex-members are to be believed – is a cruel, manipulative deceiver. But as I said, that is “if.” We will have to let the courts sort out the truth in that matter. Nevertheless, theological speaking, the verdict is in – his doctrines are unbiblical deceptions. 

According to their own website, this sect had events from the start that many people would consider questionable and dishonorable. Wresting a Bible study from another minister is a shameful way to start a church. There are unanswered questions about Rose’s early life and there are questions about the relationship between Rose and Kale.  Did their relationship cause the end of Kale’s marriage to Candy? Did Kale Aluli get the help he needed at the psychiatric institution where the ex-members say he was a patient?

Jesus cautioned us to watch out for false teachers, saying that we would “know them by their fruits.”  For two people who claim perfection, it is odd that there lives seem to be at odds with their confession; there is alleged acknowledgement of past psychological issues, volitivity, and a lot of divorces. The fact of no formal bible training for the founder of the denomination in and of itself is a situation likely to produce some strange and unbiblical teachings.

Is it fair to consider past failures in a person’s life? Many people have suffered the pain of divorce and other difficulties in life. No one is perfect. Are we judging in a manner displeasing to the Lord?  Are we being self-righteous and guilty of “casting the first stone,” when we all have failures in our lives? Of course we should be merciful, forgiving and compassionate to all. That is how the Bible teaches us to act – to be merciful and understanding. 

But all that changes when a person claims to be an apostle,  a prophet of God, as perfect as Jesus, and then starts claiming he or she is the leader of the one true church and all are condemned who don’t follow them. When such a person teaches things contrary to Scripture, ostensibly brainwashes parents, and is alleged by some to have encouraged the abuse of children – then there is another principle that applies which encourages us to examine the details of their life. Hear the words of Jesus:

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit…Thus you will recognize them by their fruits…On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me…”  (Matthew 7:15-22)

The claim that they are the one true church, along with the exaltation and reverence of Rose and Kale, are cultic warning signs. The deification of Rose and Kale as equal to Jesus is outright blasphemy. The denial of salvation by grace, and the embracement of salvation through works, toil, deprivation, and pain – in order to reach perfection – is a false doctrine that could conceivably lead to abuse.  Is it possible that such a teaching could brainwash some susceptible individuals into thinking that the only way to save their children would be to torture them into submission?

Holy Scripture tells us: “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8:20) In other words, if any so-called prophet speaks forth teachings contrary to the Bible, there is no light in them. They should not be listened to. Kale Aluli is teaching false doctrine, as we have seen. He should be disregarded.

No doubt his response will be that he is being persecuted for his faith. But no one is persecuting him. His hand is not being held over the burning flame. It is merely being pointed out that, in the view of this retired minister, what this sect teaches on their website is not the truth of God’s word. Let the reader be free to consider and decide whether these things are so. May this writing go forth into the hands of the beguiled that they might be set free from the bondage of a false prophet.

In America people have the freedom to believe whatever they want, even if it is unbiblical. No one should interfere with this “church.” People can be wrong if they want to be. That is how it should be. No one should obstruct that right. Not even God forces people to believe truth if they do not wish to.  Abuse of children, if it has happened, is a matter for the authorities to determine. Hopefully, the appropriate agency will take a close look at this cult and keep an eye on them. In my view, the best thing that can be done now is to warn the community that the beliefs of this sect are not biblical. 

I want to emphasize that the people trapped in this cult are people for whom Christ died. We need to pray for them and love them, not denigrate them.  But let the word go out that this sect is not a Christian church. They are in fact a non-Christian cult that has denied the basic doctrines of Christianity. Ex-members have alleged that its leader has embraced totalitarian control over its members. Caution is always prudent. 

Perhaps if some of its members read this article it will help them to see that they have been brainwashed with unscriptural doctrines that have no basis in biblical truth. Let the light shine and dispel the darkness. If this article is printed and handed out or emailed to those who need to read it, perhaps it will bring an epiphany to some. For this we can hope and so we shall pray.

…Pastor Mark

Information from ex-members was received in private conversation to me as an ordained minister. As such, these communications are considered privileged under the law and are exempted from mandatory reporting requirements. I have reported their allegations verbatim as they were given to me, only in so far as they have granted permission to release said information. Their confidence will not be betrayed and only that information which they give permission to release will be given.

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  1. There are a number of us curious as to what Kale had to say privately, off-line on 3/21/22, prior to your article about the Church of Jesus Christ Forever. I would imagine that you’ve been threatened legally, or invited to a sham church service. Be careful, their entire belief structure and path leads only to one conclusion, being the only souls to enter the Kingdom of Heaven whether on a natural or truncated timeline.

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    1. Hi Henry, Thanks for commenting. I have not been threatened legally, yet. Such attempted intimidation would be merely an idle threat. Religious leaders and public figures are subject to public opinion and have no recourse against anyone’s exercise of freedom of speech to disagree with their theology. As far as reporting on alleged illegal activities, I have made no accusation against the church or Kale. I have only reported on what has been alleged by ex-members. It would be up to a court of law to determine if these things are so. A defamation suit would require that he prove what my article says about his personal life is untrue, and since I have made no judgment on that matter, but only reported what certain ex-members have alleged, then what I have said is true – that people have reported these things. To bring suit against those people who make these allegations, he would have to go to court to prove these things are not true. I am betting he would not want to subject himself to cross-examination on these matters, nor would he relish the publicity of the allegations that a court trial would bring. As to what Kale said privately on 03/21/22, I have no idea. I would expect his lawyer would now be cautioning him not to say anything.

      …Pastor Mark

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  2. I have also asked questions about this group. Kale called me 23 times over the past few days. I didnt answer but he left voice mails threatening legal action against me if i didnt meet with him. He also invited me to the church and also to dinner to meet his children. I didnt reply. Id like to talk to you about this sometime as ive also been in touch with many exmembers. I live in Oregon Illinois

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  3. Great article – lots of great information. I went to school with one of Roses grandchildren (Mark Ryland ex-husband). Came to school and that was about it. Did not socialize much. Once Rose and her daughter built their elaborate homes out by Maxson’s a few friends of the granddaughter would be invited over, but not many. Roses daughter, one granddaughter and grandchildren left Oregon for Florida and now most are in Texas I believe. Not sure if they are still affiliated with the church or not.

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  4. Excellent article, very informative and persuasive. I am in no doubt as to the truth of it. People do not make up things like this. I wish those adults who experienced abuse as children in this cult would come forward to prevent it from continuing.
    Testing theologically the claims of this”church” is so well undertaken and explained in this article that it makes for a very compelling read.

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