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  1. The difficulty I have with some of these videos is they are heivily edited, especially those showing Jimmy and Donnie preaching. We need to see the context of the actual sermon in order to be able to make a fair assessment. I appreciate what you are presenting here, but I don’t think that the Swaggarts are being given a totally fair hearing. What exactly is wrong with their theology? A lot of the evangelical Church do speak scriptural error from time to time, but they are not being critiqued here.

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    1. Hi Robert – the full video is out there on Youtube. Just do a search under Donnie Swaggart and dancing. That should bring it up. The context was that he was denouncing certain churches engaging in questionable activities. Although these things were not done in an Assemblies of God church, he launches into a tirade against the Assemblies and blames them for it. Concerning your question, “what exactly is wrong with their theology,” take a look at the articles on this website. You can start here: http://www.christiananswerman.com/message-of-the-cross/ and then read here: http://www.christiananswerman.com/the-dangers-of-the-swaggart-bible/

      …Pastor Mark

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  2. Which recording do you have that Jimmy Swaggart say that you don’t need Christ, only the cross? Mark, you do this man a disservice. He has never said that the cross is to be in place of Christ. The bible does teach the centrality of the cross, in that without it there is no salvation. Please put this right in your video talks? However, I did hear him say on a broadcast say: ‘that heaven was another planet, as the city of God comes down from heaven’. I certainly have misgivings of Jimmy and Donnie Swaggart, but he does preach truth, however does he live it, that is the question? One other interesting thing is, why does Frances have ‘yes’ people on her ‘Frances and Friends’ programme? I have personally been disturbed and dismayed by this, but there are some interesting points raised. I’ve been watching from the U.K. for over a year now and will continue to watch for the time being. Jimmy says repeatedly: it is not the piece of wood that we worship, but what was accomplished there’ I’ve heard him say this myself on his broadcast.

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    1. Hi Robert and thanks for your comment. I don’t have his statement in a recording, it is in writings, in his book Message of the Cross, and in the Expositor’s Bible and in his magazine. It is in these writings that he really gets off base. He is much more careful with what he says on TV. A Sample: “The answer which you seek is found in the Cross! The solution which you seek is found only in the Cross! And that’s the problem with the modern Church; it is building doctrines on other foundations. You must come to the Cross! You must constantly make the Cross the object of your faith. The Cross will set you free. There is nothing before the cross and nothing after because there doesn’t need to be. The churches are in darkness because they don’t understand the cross like I do. I am of God.” Statements such as this are unbalanced, putting an unhealthy emphasis upon his distinctive doctrine which detracts from Christ.

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      1. Pastor Mark,

        Thanks you for your reply to me. How exactly does J Swagger’s doctrine on the cross detract from Christ exactly? Like I said above, I have a number of misgivings regarding J. Swagger’s doctrines, but I can’t see what your misgivings are regarding his ‘Message of the Cross’. He repeatedly says that it is what Christ did there. What exactly is unbiblical about this?

        I am ‘legally blind’ as you say in America, but have a degree of sight and I now possess two copies of the ‘Expositors Study Bible’ which I am in the process of studying along with hearing his programme. I also get the ‘Evangelist’ magazine, but I’m not entirely happy with the method of distributing it, as you either have to buy something or give a donation within the year, or the subscription stops. I want to test many teachings that are out there, but for a person with poor sight, such as myself, research is difficult. ‘Testing’ doctrine is no easy task, as I’m finding out by experience.

        I’ve been to ‘MorningStar’ recently and Toronto a few years ago and much of what I hear from those quarters is interesting. However, both these ministries have their detractors and supporters. I have worked for ‘Torch Trust for the blind http://www.torchtrust.org for many years and am now a volunteer working as a speech editor. My wife, also totally blind, works as ‘Clint Serves Manager’ for the same organisation. Many evangelical teachings have come my way over the years, hence my research. I feel for now that I must keep listening, but I also would love the opportunity to express some of my findings in a local church situation, easier said than done, as many leaders in my experience have a tendincy to try and manipulate you in some way to silence you.

        Thank you for reading my reply to you, and hopefully I have not caused you any offence as these are my thoughts and mine alone.

        God bless

        Robert Armstrong. United Kingdom.

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        1. Hi Robert, I appreciate your comments. You have not caused any offense. I welcome sincere questions. Your question is a good one: “How exactly does J Swaggart’s doctrine on the cross detract from Christ?” The answer to your question is found in these three articles:

            Since you have his study bible, I suggest you read this article also:

            Just click the links above to read the articles. Another good question would be, “What harm do the Swaggart doctrines cause?” Take a look at the comments people have made on the articles for an answer to that. These are real life experiences of those who have encountered Swaggartism. What you will see is: Disruption of family harmony, people forsaking the local church, confusion and disillusionment.

            I pray this helps you. May God bless you.

            …Pastor Mark

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  3. I watched the swaggart seduction video. I confirms a lot of what I felt and thought. My mom lives with me and watches him all the time! She has swaggart withdrawals if she can’t watch him! Like when I changed from dish to cable! I didn’t think he was on cable, I couldn’t find any channel that he was on, mostly the reason I changed! I told her it was cheaper. She had given me one hundred dollars to help pay the dish sat alive bill. I told her it wasn’t worth a hundred dollars just to watch one channel, she said it was to her!! In my spirit, something about that “show” just grates at my nerves! Now I understand why! I hate listening to all the money coming in, how much so and so gave and where their from. A whole week, twice a month, one week money to further the gospel (pay the bills) and I forget what the other week of begging for money was for! They need, I believe it was over 3 million a month to “stay on the air”! I can’t stand to even hear it on!! Oh, by the way it’s on channel 90 on our cable! I felt like I had to tell her when I found it, by chance. At least she’s not pouting anymore! Oh, she’ll be 90 in July.

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    1. Hi Brenda, I appreciate your comment. It is interesting that watching Swaggart seems to be an addiction with Swaggart followers, to the point that they often will forsake assembling themselves together with the Church. God bless,

      Pastor Mark

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    2. Brenda; Their beg-a-thon is up to 4 million 155 thousand now a month. Then they have a camp meeting about every 3 months, Donnie ask about 20 -40 people to give a thousand or more. Then their monthly bible-thon, you buy 35 thousand bibles from them for missions, and they ship them. Wow, good-deal right. Oh, you get a signed one for 500.00. And with all the things they sell, I’m betting the sweat rags will be next. Your a great daughter watching out for your mother. Donnie told viewers last week that many will stand in judgement before God for not sending in money. Many will believe that! It’s extortion, bible tells what will happen if they don’t repent.

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  4. I too did enjoy their music which does seem annointed
    BUT Donnie so lacks humility it is beyond belief.
    Also and Frances and friends. They have the same folks on week after week. Also two of the panel make such snide remarks about other denominations.
    Sadly when we moved back we attended our old
    Aog church. But seem now only to preach a social
    gospel. They no longer seem to use any of the gifts
    Instead of a simple cross have a huge set of drums
    and are so loud that I feel like saying The lordiisnt deaf
    They now have this coffee machine folks just casualy
    Walk about.
    Hardly have communion any more. Everthing is just
    So casual
    It’s more like a night club. I see nothing wrong with this happening somewhere else. But surely a church that
    is dedicated to God. Should not be ashamed to call itself a church.Not a hub or campus or whatever.
    Sadly we now attend a Roman
    Catholic church. We enjoy the respect and disipline
    and are most loving sincere peoplepersonalydontpray
    to Mary. Because of much sickness am able to go on a
    Sat night if needed.
    Maybe because I was originalyaanglican I feel more at home there. Also most of our excellent schools here in the uk are Roman Catholic.I just couldnt just watch
    God chanel and never mix with other christians
    I and my husband are both born again and Love
    Jesus and also support Israel.

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    1. Hi Freydis, thanks for your comment. Yes, their lack of humility and their vicious defamation of others is rampant. It is surprising, they can dish it out, but if anyone criticized them, the Swaggarites will then call you every name in the book and say you are being un-Christian for pointing out their errors. I pray you can find a good protestant church to attend, for the false teachings in Catholicism are abundant. Take a look at this article: http://www.christiananswerman.com/catholicisms-errant-teachings/ and also this one: http://www.christiananswerman.com/the-origin-of-the-papacy/

      …Pastor Mark

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  5. Hello Pastor Mark,

    At time of writing I’ve read the comments and some of the points raised here are to some extent valid. I still need to read the links you suggest, and may comment further on these.

    However, most of the comments relate to personal taste with regard to music etc. People walking about during the service is not exactly unbiblical, but you may direct me to Paul in 1 Corinthians 12-14 in regard to this. Addicted to Swaggart? If this lady is putting J Swaggert, or anyone else on a pedestal, then yes, this is wrong, because she is worshiping J Swaggart and not the Lord. Donnie says he is just being enthusiastic in what he says in reply to callers etc, and would refute any suggestion that he is not being humble. However, I listened to Donnie the other day shout down a pastor who called in who claimed that a member of his church was living in a wrong relationship etc, but was still allowed to sing from the stage. Donnie proceeded to preach 1 Corinthians 5 to him. Unfortunately, Donnie has a habit of shouting down people who he disagrees with him, and proceeds, metaphorically speaking, to wipe the floor with them. Point 1. Donnie did not know all the facts of the situation he was judging. Point 2. in this instance he should have remembered his own father, who was in a similar situation a few years back now admittedly. Was J. Swaggart put out of the ministry at that time when he committed fornacation with a prostitute for the 2nd and 3rd time? O.K., yes, he may have repented now, but was 1 Corinthians applied in his case in 1991 and 1997?

    Having said all this I believe there is a book about Marvin Gorman written by his lawyer, can you throw some light on this book, i.e. title, and where it may be obtained online?

    Oh yes, you mentioned how the ‘Expositors bible’ is presented, in my view he is at liberty to do this as long he is not saying his notes are scripture, and as far as I can see Swaggart is not doing this. The layout, as far as it goes, in my view, is helpful. However, I agree with you it is hard to read it with his notes interspersed throughout the text. On the other hand, it is a ‘study’ bible and not meant to be read like a bible that is not presented as a study bible. Hope you get my point here.

    Sorry this has been a bit long. My wish to comment further on this later.

    God bless

    Robert Armstrong.

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  6. Thanks for your comments yes I do realise where the RC are wrong but many of the FLOCK are changing read the bible and are so loving I understand you can be sincerely wrong. I notice their is no longer a free phone number for the uk on the swaggerts I guess it’s because our culture is so different from southern Baton Rouge FRANCIS in fairness does not seem to force anyone to pay what they can’t afford.
    I would hope that the recent horrendous flooding in Baton Rouge shows them that all these denominations that they criticise are giving so many things For the flood relief.
    I just think that their other guests make abides about every denomination. But I wonder what they will do with the passage in the Last days God’s Spirit will be poured out on all flesh.
    Many who call in they watch them 24/7 surely this can be like a cult.
    Billy Grahame is one of the most humble people I know
    Blessings for your patience with my post

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